- The Nuri, which was successfully launched, is a kind of delivery agency service
- It delivers exactly to the front door and waits for the star rating - If it goes well, it will be able to deliver things from other countries

- It is completely different from the Nuri and Naro ... All our technology
- "money is paid" companies entering the state-led space industry
- where is the satellite "Dasol"? The remaining 3 units
are enough - the end of verification? Should
we keep the game out and create an environment - 2032 will go to the moon? The process is more important

than the arrival ■ Broadcast: SBS Kim Taehyun's Politics Show (FM 103.5 MHz 7:00 ~ 09:00) ■ Date: May 29, 2023 (Mon)

■ Host: Kim Tae-hyun Lawyer

■ Appearance: Orbital Science Communicator

▷ Kim Tae-hyun : On the last day of the holiday, which unfortunately began, a special corner, this person came out. The man who loved the universe, the man who shines with 820,000 subscribers. This is Mr. Orbit, a science communicator. Hello.

▶Orbit: Good to see you. It's an orbit.

Kim Taehyun : I'll see you for the first time. The song that is now set as BGM is "Event Horizon" by Yoon Ha, who is famous for the reverse driving song. I heard it was an application song.

▶Orbit: It's one of my favorite songs and it's about black holes.

Kim Taehyun : Is this it?

▶Orbit: Yes, you wrote this song because you were inspired by a lot of different places, but maybe you haven't seen a glimpse of my video as well, I've heard stories like this.

▷Kim Taehyun : Is it true that there was such a sleigh? It is said that Yoon Ha was inspired by watching Mr. Orbit's video.

▶Orbit: I've heard that you got a little bit.

Kim Taehyun : Okay. The reason why we have a very famous science communicator today, Mr. Orbit, is to talk about the back story of the Nuri launch and the prospects for the future. As many of you in the political show know, I'm not good at science. I'm a liberal arts student from head to toe, so I'm not good at science, so I'm sure you'll be able to explain things in a very easy and fun way for beginners like me. This is actually a few hours away, Nuriho on YouTube.

▶Orbit: Actually, we don't have enough time. Normally, it takes about 9 hours to feel that the Nuri is worth this much, but 20 minutes is about what the Nuri is.

Kim Taehyun : Okay. Let's listen and talk about the people involved in the launch of the Nuri.
(Transcript)

▷ Kim Tae-hyun : You listened to the voices of Jeong Jung-hwan, head of the Korea Launch Vehicle Advancement Project, and Han Jae-heung, director of the KAIST Satellite Research Institute, one after another, and these things caught my ears. "We've been riding economy for a long time, and I feel like I'm in first class. I think that's an apt analogy," said Han Jae-heung, the director of the institute, but what does that mean, exactly?

▶Orbit: I think you probably didn't express it from the perspective of the satellite. I think you said that it has become somewhat dignified to that extent, but in fact, I make a lot of analogies with kimbap.

Kim Taehyun : Gimbap?

▶Orbit : Korea is a country that has made a lot of efforts to make kimbap very well. But I made this kimbap well, and now I have to sell it. I have to sell it, but I don't have a delivery service. So what do I do with this? However, there was another place that had a delivery service. I started selling kimbap using that. But because of this, I can't give them kimbap when I want it, and then I can't pay for it, and I can't do it whenever I want, so it won't really sell properly. So we thought that we should also do a delivery agency service, but in fact, this is a task that requires too much know-how, so we have to deliver it safely and accurately without damaging the kimbap, which is difficult. That's why we worked so hard and delivered about three times. First, I went to the guardhouse and left it at the security station. But I couldn't get to my home address. But the second and third deliveries were exactly to the front door. And now there's something waiting for a signal, so it's waiting for a star rating.

▷Kim Taehyun : Then, Kimbab is a satellite, and the delivery agent is a launch vehicle.

▶Orbit: Exactly. That's how I look at it. If this goes well, we'll be able to deliver the goods from other stores.

Kim Tae-hyun : So what you mean by that, we need satellites, we need weather observations, we have to collect information, we have to do it, but in the meantime, we borrowed foreign launch vehicles and mounted them and shot them down?

▶Orbit: In the past, we only watched the launch of other countries' satellites with other countries' launch vehicles, but there was a shooting of our country's satellites from other countries' launch pads, and now we shoot our country's satellites with our country's launch vehicles. So, in the past, I was only watching other countries eat kimbap, but now we're going to make kimbap, so please deliver it. Now we'll make it and we'll deliver it.

Kim Taehyun : You're talking about the G7 now. Which country has succeeded in launching missiles earlier?

▶Orbit: USA, Russia, Japan, China, India, Europe, EU.

Kim Taehyun : It's a combination of the EU.

▶Orbit: I know it was probably launched by the French.

Kim Tae-hyun : The real powers are all the space powers we can think of.

▶Orbit: Exactly. However, there are so few countries that provide delivery services that are now delivering. That's how hard it is, delivery.

Kim Taehyun : Then it's something to be really thrilled about.

▶Orbit: Exactly. In fact, it's a very difficult thing to do, and in fact, who They didn't even teach me.

▷Kim Taehyun : Is it an independent development?

▶Orbit: It's completely independent. It's something I've learned by hiding next to what we're delivering and watching it and secretly following it at night.

Kim Taehyun : Look, it was postponed for a day. I really don't know, but I wonder if there will be an article saying why it was postponed, or if there is a communication problem, I wonder if this or that can be fixed, it's easy. Because it's not more than an engine, it's more than computer communication. So I got the feeling that it wouldn't be a big deal, not that I had the expertise. Our track is an expert. How did you see it? Look at it.

▶Orbit: As a science buff, I can't say that any problem is a small problem. Because even if there is a difference in one really small thing, you never know what problems will arise because of this. That's why it's natural to act. This is a software problem, and even if you just need to fix this, you don't know what this is going to cause, so you have to do everything related to it. No matter where it hurts, it only hurts here, let's just take painkillers, we have to look at all the other parts of the body that are related to this.

Kim Taehyun : There may be complications.

▶Orbit: So you have to do a medical checkup, just like you do, and so in the end, it's a matter of course when it comes to postponing, and we have to have a society that can accept this. It's so important that so much research has been put into it. In fact, who's the saddest thing if it's postponed?

Kim Taehyun : They did the research.

▶Orbit: It's them. They really want to shoot perfectly. But if that doesn't work, you have to postpone it, and even so, you have to leave it to chance.

Kim Taehyun : The weather.

▶Orbit: So the parts that don't have to be left to chance have to be perfect, and there are other things that need to be left to chance, so you have to somehow keep it in the most perfect state. But the sad thing is that there are a lot of people around who have gone to high school. These people can be resentful if they take a vacation. But I think that's actually the role of the government and the community. Even if you go down, you can make something near it to make an attraction.

Kim Taehyun : That's right. My producer told me not to ask this question, because it was embarrassing. Ignorance is revealing. But I can't help wondering. That's why I ask.

▶Orbit: Being able to ask questions is a very high-level way of thinking.

Kim Taehyun : Is that so?

▶Orbit: It's hard to ask questions about something really low-dimensional. But it's my job to make them ask questions.

Kim Taehyun : But you'll be surprised, because it's such a low-level question.

▶Orbit: There are no bad questions in the world.

Kim Taehyun : What's the difference between Nuri and Naro? I'm embarrassed to ask, kinda. Orbit: First of all, the names are different.



Kim Taehyun : You did a while ago with me.

▶Orbit: It's a completely different thing, just like me and you have different names.

Kim Taehyun : It's the same projectile, right?

▶Orbit: But it's a little sad, it's a little sad from Nuri's point of view, and I feel like it's a little bit similar to Naro and Nuri. However, the etymology of the name itself is very different. First of all, basically, the name of the Naro was not the original name. However, the name I originally had in mind was monopolized by someone, so it was difficult to get this, so I launched it from a place called Önarodo. There is also a single naro and a nanaro, and that's where the name Naro came from. However, in the case of Nuriho, there are many people who are confused because they use our Soonuri word for Nuri, which means the universe, which has nothing to do with the Önarodo, but in fact, the etymology is different, but the sense of the word is similar.

Kim Taehyun : It's the same thing as a projectile, right? To put it simply, rockets.

▶Orbit: Exactly. But the Naro is a two-stage rocket. The first stage is Russian technology, which we cannot touch. The second stage is our country's unique technology.

▷Kim Taehyun : Is Nuri all Korean technology?

▶Orbit: The Nuri consists of three stages. 1, 2 and 3 stages are all our unique technology.

Kim Taehyun : So the Nuri is an upgraded version of the Naro, can you look at it like this?

▶Orbit: But it's very different. What you're saying now is very different.

Kim Taehyun : It's the second stage, the third stage, and it's the Russian one, and the Korean one. Kim Taehyun : But the upgrade is something that has changed from the existing one, but the Nuri can't even use the Naro launch pad.

It's completely different. So it's a completely different technology... Of course, we also benefited a lot from Naro's technology. But you can't see this as an upgrade, it's completely new.

Kim Taehyun : It's completely new. Then you keep shooting. So this is going to be Nuriho 1 and Nuriho 2 like this?

▶Orbit: First of all, the Nuri is scheduled for its sixth launch. The next step is to prepare the next generation of launch vehicles.

Kim Taehyun : You won't launch the Naro, will you?

▶Orbit: The Naro has finished its role as the Naro. It's like we don't use Pentium computers anymore. <b1129</b1129>
> Kim Tae-hyun: The Nuri will go to the sixth launch and then to the next-generation launch vehicle. It's like this. We have become a G7 space power. The Nuri was launched. It's so pleasant, it's mentally satisfying, and there's a good thing, but then it's actually an economic benefit because this was a matter of taxpayers. So can we launch that and make money industrially? What are the economic benefits? Other than something that feels good. If you ask such a secular question.

▶Orbit: Actually, I'm not an expert in this area, but in the case of the space industry, it has been done at the government or national level. And now there are a lot of private companies coming into this market. As of 2021, there are already 130 countries that take care of space, followed by 150 space research institutes, more than 5,000 investment companies, and more than 10,000 companies. What I mean by this is that a really diverse space industry ecosystem is being created.

Kim Tae-hyun : Industrial ecosystem.

▶Orbit: It's increasing, the private sector is coming in. Why would the private sector come in?

Kim Taehyun : Because it's money.

▶Orbit: Exactly. Because it makes money. So, in a way, the evidence that this is money is actually coming in from private companies right now.

Kim Taehyun : There were reports that Hanwha Aerospace played a big role this time.

▶Orbit : In a way, it was selected as a system integrated company that is in charge of everything from design to assembly to operation related to these launch vehicles. I think a similar case can be seen as similar to the relationship between NASA and SpaceX.

Kim Taehyun : SpaceX and Elon Musk.

▶Orbit: Exactly. In the case of SpaceX, it has become a huge global space company that no one can do anything about. But the screws helped me a lot. But they helped me a lot, and the reason why I grew this company called SpaceX, and then this huge number of ancillary companies related to this company, was that I was able to launch so efficiently. For the government, we have been able to save a lot of money, and for the company, we have grown into a tremendous company with a lot of know-how. This has created a very virtuous cycle, and it seems that our country had such a desire to benchmark success stories similar to this, and if we can follow suit, it will be a tremendous challenge for us, but we will be able to achieve very good results.

Kim Taehyun : So the reports that Hanwha Aerospace will lead the way from the next launch will probably go that way?

▶Orbit: The third launch was attended by Hanwha. We will participate in stages from the 4th round, and maybe in the 6th round, Hanwha Aerospace will really be in charge of the whole thing.

Kim Taehyun : So now Hanwha Aerospace really sends tourists into space like SpaceX. It's not that there isn't a possibility to do this in an industrial way.

▶Orbit: I think our country has the strength. There is no industry that our country has touched that has not ranked first. I think the space industry, our country, can become the dominant country.

Kim Taehyun : Really? Are you saying that this is not out of profane patriotism, but that it is realistically possible?

▶Orbit: There are so many such cases in practice. From semiconductors to automobiles, everything.

Kim Taehyun : The same goes for telephones and nuclear power.

▶Orbit: Smartphones as well. So, perhaps, if our country starts to get its hands on it, other countries will follow.

Kim Taehyun : Okay. Talking about the kimbap I mentioned earlier. The true story of the delivery agency service is the gimbap we made. All eight of these satellites are domestic?

▶Orbit: Multi-domestic.

Kim Taehyun : But there was talk that one of them couldn't be found right now. Of the 4 Toyoset brothers, 3 Dasol is missing, what happened to this?

▶Orbit: Eight friends went on a trip to space, and now they don't answer their cell phones. Six friends were on the phone. I have to be on the phone to know how these friends are and where they're hurting, but I have two friends who can't get on the phone. One of them is an important friend.

Kim Taehyun : Which of your friends you can't talk to?

▶Orbit: Because Toyoset was a very important project, and four satellites were flying in formation to observe the space environment. But anyway, one of them, a friend named Dasol of Toyota Unit 3, is in a situation where I can't get in touch with him right now. But this is actually a personal pity, and in the case of cube satellites, there are actually a lot of cases like this. The size is also small.

Kim Taehyun : It doesn't look like a satellite like the one we see in the movies, but it looks like a real wooden box.

▶Orbit: It's really good. That's why I know that if it takes longer than I thought, it will be solved, and I'm probably trying to do as much as I can right now. But there are a number of cases. Anyway, it's a shame to be sure. However, since 4 planes went up and 1 plane could not be contacted, it seems that it is quite possible to fly in formation with only 3 aircraft.

Kim Taehyun : It's not a failure, is it?

▶Orbit: Yes, it's not an absolute failure. It's just a shame. I sent a treasure hunt and if 4 people find it, I don't think I'll find it quickly. However, one of the friends is resting, so the three of them can find enough.



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