Mr. Nouripour, FDP General Secretary Bijan Djir-Sarai recently described his party's approach to migration policy in the F.A.Z. as follows: "We want a migration policy that is in line with reality." How would you describe your approach?
Helene Bubrowski
Political correspondent in Berlin.
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We want a migration policy that is in line with reality – and that combines humanity and order.
Aha. So why are the overlaps between the FDP and the Greens so small?
There are enough overlaps in this coalition. Because we want to learn the lessons of the past years together. On the one hand, there is the question of feasibility in the municipalities, on the other hand, there is the fundamental right to protection.
In the run-up to the refugee summit, the federal and state governments are hopelessly at odds. What do you expect from the Chancellor?
The municipalities need support. Logistical support, for example real estate provided by the federal government for accommodation. But it is also about financial support, for example for integration measures.
The Federal Chancellery has calculated that the federal government will support states and municipalities with a total of 15.6 billion euros this year. Isn't that quite a lot of money?
Many municipalities are in dire straits. People don't want the federal and state governments to point fingers at each other, they want the problems to be solved. It will take money to cut the knot. I have absolutely no doubt that the federal states must also make a major contribution to relieving the burden on municipalities, for example in the digitisation of the authorities, but also financially. Accordingly, some statements are surprising, as is that of Interior Minister Nancy Faeser, who responds to questions about solutions for municipalities with reforms at EU level. The logic cannot be: we are talking about possible measures for the day after tomorrow and ignoring the acute situation in the municipalities.
What sum does Scholz have to put on the table?
This will be clarified jointly by 16 states, the municipalities and the federal government. We have a tight budget situation that cannot be denied. Nevertheless, we must find a substantial solution.
Will I get another number from you?
No, because there's no point in negotiating numbers in interviews.
Let's talk about managing migration. There is a proposal to classify other countries as safe countries of origin. The chancellor can imagine this in the case of Georgia and Moldova, and the FDP would like to extend the circle to the Maghreb states. And they?
The concept of safe countries of origin has become a symbol that does not do justice to its significance in practice at all. It is clear that states such as Algeria, where systematic human rights violations are the order of the day, must not be given such a seal.
And Georgia and Moldova?
Countries that have the status of EU candidate countries and are making progress on the rule of law will certainly have to be treated differently from torture states. In the case of Georgia and Moldova, this is certainly debatable. However, the concept of safe countries of origin remains questionable.
What about the repatriation offensive promised in the coalition agreement?